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Protein shake recommendations that do not taste like chalk — need advice

tampaLisa73 Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 9:11 AM 13 replies 1,696 viewsPage 1 of 3
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tampaLisa73
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Dec 5, 2024 at 9:11 AM#1

My appetite is suppressed enough that hitting a protein target is now the hardest part of the day, and everything I read assumes I can simply eat more.

The arithmetic that makes it tractable: reference weight in kg times 1.6 gives the target; divide by four for a per-sitting figure; then find four foods that hit that figure in a volume you can actually finish. Most people need two of the four to be liquid or semi-liquid early on.

What would genuinely help is knowing whether the RDA is the wrong reference entirely during rapid weight loss, and what the actual target should be.

Practical detail welcome, however dull — the duller the better.

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Dec 5, 2024 at 9:26 AM#2

Short answer first, then the reasoning. The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why. 0.8 g/kg is the intake at which nitrogen balance is not negative in healthy weight-stable adults — a floor for deficiency prevention, not an optimum, and derived in a population that is not in a deficit. In a substantial energy deficit, protein requirement rises because amino acids are being oxidised for energy and because muscle protein synthesis is blunted. The literature on preserving lean mass during weight loss lands around 1.4 to 2.0 g/kg of reference body weight, which is roughly two to two and a half times the RDA.

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Dec 5, 2024 at 9:41 AM#3
InsuranceTom said:
The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why.

Agreed on the target, with the caveat that reference weight and current weight are different numbers. Using current weight at the start of a large loss produces a target that is both unachievable and unnecessary.

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Dec 5, 2024 at 9:56 AM#4
tampaLisa73 said:
My appetite is suppressed enough that hitting a protein target is now the hardest part of the day, and everything I read assumes I can simply eat…

Same position here, arrived at the long way round. Distribution matters less than total but it is not nothing. Roughly 25 to 40g per sitting with enough leucine to trigger synthesis, three or four times a day, is more effective than the same total in one enormous evening meal — and on a suppressed appetite the enormous evening meal is the one you will not finish anyway.

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Dec 5, 2024 at 11:14 AM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

DEXA scan update relevant to protein intake:

Scanned at months 0, 6, and 12. Here are the body comp numbers:

BaselineMonth 6Month 12
Total mass251 lbs211 lbs198 lbs
Fat mass101 lbs71 lbs48 lbs
Lean mass154 lbs150 lbs155 lbs
Body fat %44%30%22%

Lean mass preserved — actually GAINED 1-2 lbs thanks to progressive overload + 1.4g/kg protein. The protein intake discussion needs to include body comp data, not just scale weight.

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