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Has anyone dealt with bone broth and collagen?

DanielChem_CHI Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 7:47 AM 14 replies 1,912 viewsPage 1 of 3
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DanielChem_CHI
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Jun 13, 2024 at 7:47 AM#1

I tracked honestly for two weeks and averaged 68g of protein against a target of about 120g. That gap is the whole problem and no meal plan I have found is written for it.

What I am after is how people are hitting a protein target on a genuinely suppressed appetite, because volume is the binding constraint rather than willingness.

Numbers rather than impressions, if you have them.

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Jun 13, 2024 at 7:53 AM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why. 0.8 g/kg is the intake at which nitrogen balance is not negative in healthy weight-stable adults — a floor for deficiency prevention, not an optimum, and derived in a population that is not in a deficit. In a substantial energy deficit, protein requirement rises because amino acids are being oxidised for energy and because muscle protein synthesis is blunted. The literature on preserving lean mass during weight loss lands around 1.4 to 2.0 g/kg of reference body weight, which is roughly two to two and a half times the RDA.

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Jun 13, 2024 at 7:59 AM#3
amsterdam_pete said:
The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why.

True, and anyone with reduced kidney function needs that target set by a clinician rather than a forum. High protein is safe in normal kidneys and is not automatically safe in impaired ones.

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Jun 13, 2024 at 8:05 AM#4
DanielChem_CHI said:
I tracked honestly for two weeks and averaged 68g of protein against a target of about 120g.

Same position here, arrived at the long way round. Distribution matters less than total but it is not nothing. Roughly 25 to 40g per sitting with enough leucine to trigger synthesis, three or four times a day, is more effective than the same total in one enormous evening meal — and on a suppressed appetite the enormous evening meal is the one you will not finish anyway.

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Jun 13, 2024 at 8:34 AM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

DEXA scan update relevant to protein intake:

Scanned at months 0, 6, and 12. Here are the body comp numbers:

BaselineMonth 6Month 12
Total mass262 lbs222 lbs219 lbs
Fat mass122 lbs82 lbs54 lbs
Lean mass160 lbs153 lbs156 lbs
Body fat %39%33%23%

Lean mass preserved — actually GAINED 1-2 lbs thanks to progressive overload + 1.4g/kg protein. The protein intake discussion needs to include body comp data, not just scale weight.

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