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When to hold at a dose vs continue titrating — my results so far

Dr.BariatricHTX Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 8:05 PM 18 replies 1,996 viewsPage 1 of 4
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Dr.BariatricHTX
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Nov 11, 2024 at 8:05 PM#1

I titrated faster than the label because I felt fine, hit a wall at the third step, and had to come back down — which I now think was the predictable outcome rather than bad luck.

The arithmetic in one line: half-life about a week, so steady state at four to five weeks, so a four-week interval is one steady state per step. Two-week intervals mean every step is dosed onto a rising curve.

What would genuinely help is knowing why the interval is four weeks rather than two, and whether a slower ladder gets to the same place.

Practical detail welcome, however dull — the duller the better.

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Nov 11, 2024 at 8:37 PM#2

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. The trials generally allowed a step to be held or reduced and then retried, and people who did that mostly arrived at the same place a few weeks later. The end point of the ladder is set by tolerability, not by a schedule, and there is no evidence that reaching the top faster produces a better outcome.

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Nov 11, 2024 at 9:09 PM#3
RetaRick_CA said:
The trials generally allowed a step to be held or reduced and then retried, and people who did that mostly arrived at the same place a few weeks…

That is right for the weekly injectables. For the daily agents the interval logic is different and the four-week convention does not transfer.

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Nov 11, 2024 at 9:41 PM#4
Dr.BariatricHTX said:
I titrated faster than the label because I felt fine, hit a wall at the third step, and had to come back down — which I now think was the predictable…

This matches mine closely enough to be worth saying so. Four weeks is the pharmacokinetics, not caution. With a one-week half-life you need four to five half-lives to reach steady state, so at two weeks you are dosing on top of a concentration that has not finished rising. Escalating then stacks exposure and you get the side-effect burden of the higher dose before you have seen the benefit of the current one.

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Nov 12, 2024 at 12:40 AM#5

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads.

PSA for titration users considering the 0.25mg starting dose: this dose is NOT intended for weight loss. It's a titration dose to let your body adjust. Don't be discouraged if you don't lose much in the first month.

The therapeutic dose for weight management starts at 1.7mg (semaglutide) or 5mg (tirzepatide). Be patient with the ramp-up.

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