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Insulin syringe sourcing — looking for input

CryptoCarl Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 5:55 PM 19 replies 2,294 viewsPage 1 of 4
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Feb 22, 2024 at 5:55 PM#1

Two of us with identical vials and identical diluent arrived at different unit counts, which means one of us has a conceptual error rather than a rounding error.

The three numbers to write on the vial: total mg, total ml, and mg per ml. Everything else is division. And the sanity check is that dose volume times number of doses should be less than the volume you put in, because dead space takes the difference.

The narrow version of the question is how much material I am losing to dead space, and whether that explains why a 10mg vial gives me nine usable draws rather than ten.

Tell me what I have not thought of.

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Feb 22, 2024 at 6:02 PM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. Concentration choice is a precision decision, not a preference. Reconstitute high and every dose is a tiny volume where one unit of syringe error is a large fraction of the dose. Reconstitute low and you get more graduations per dose, so the same hand tremor costs proportionally less. Against that, more diluent means more benzyl alcohol and a shorter comfortable in-use window.

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Feb 22, 2024 at 6:09 PM#3
VendorMark said:
Concentration choice is a precision decision, not a preference.

Agreed, and it is worth saying that rounding to the nearest whole unit is usually acceptable at maintenance doses and is not acceptable at the bottom of a ladder, where one unit can be a fifth of the intended dose.

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Feb 22, 2024 at 6:16 PM#4
CryptoCarl said:
Two of us with identical vials and identical diluent arrived at different unit counts, which means one of us has a conceptual error rather than a…

This matches mine closely enough to be worth saying so. Dead space is the answer to the missing dose. A fixed-needle insulin syringe holds a few microlitres in the hub and needle after the plunger bottoms out, and on small draws that is a measurable percentage of every dose. Across ten draws it adds up to most of an eleventh, which is exactly the "nine draws from a ten-dose vial" complaint. Luer-lock syringes are worse; low-dead-space fixed-needle designs are better.

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Feb 22, 2024 at 6:54 PM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

For anyone reconstituting dosing arithmetic peptides: the water-to-powder ratio determines your concentration. Here's my reference:

Vial SizeBAC WaterConcentration0.25mg Dose
5mg2mL2.5mg/mL10 units
5mg2.5mL2mg/mL12.5 units
10mg2mL5mg/mL5 units
10mg3mL3.33mg/mL7.5 units

More water = easier to measure small doses but vial runs out faster. Find the balance that works for your dose.

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