From the other side of the consultation, briefly. Start from the measurement rather than the conclusion. Almost every disagreement here turns out to be two people measuring different things and comparing the numbers anyway.

lisa_labSD said:

Start from the measurement rather than the conclusion.

Second this. I had assumed I was the exception until I read this.

lisa_labSD said:

Start from the measurement rather than the conclusion.

Coming at lisa_labSD’s question from a different direction. There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.

Correct me if the detail matters more than I have assumed.

Adding the numbers, since they settle part of this. Keep the original post as written when you update it, and add the correction underneath. An edited-away mistake is invisible to the next person who makes it.

Moderator note: the sourcing question belongs in the vendor section and has been split out. Tagging this one for the weekly digest.