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What are you cooking tonight? (High protein edition) — need advice

tommy_boulder Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 9:25 AM 8 replies 1,876 viewsPage 1 of 2
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Aug 30, 2024 at 9:25 AM#1

My appetite is suppressed enough that hitting a protein target is now the hardest part of the day, and everything I read assumes I can simply eat more.

The bit I cannot resolve on my own is whether the RDA is the wrong reference entirely during rapid weight loss, and what the actual target should be.

I have searched first, so if this is covered somewhere point me at it and I will read it.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 10:45 AM#2

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why. 0.8 g/kg is the intake at which nitrogen balance is not negative in healthy weight-stable adults — a floor for deficiency prevention, not an optimum, and derived in a population that is not in a deficit. In a substantial energy deficit, protein requirement rises because amino acids are being oxidised for energy and because muscle protein synthesis is blunted. The literature on preserving lean mass during weight loss lands around 1.4 to 2.0 g/kg of reference body weight, which is roughly two to two and a half times the RDA.

Correct me if the detail matters more than I have assumed.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 12:05 PM#3
FDA_TrackerJim said:
The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why.

Agreed on the target, with the caveat that reference weight and current weight are different numbers. Using current weight at the start of a large loss produces a target that is both unachievable and unnecessary.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 1:25 PM#4
tommy_boulder said:
My appetite is suppressed enough that hitting a protein target is now the hardest part of the day, and everything I read assumes I can simply eat…

Same position here, arrived at the long way round. Distribution matters less than total but it is not nothing. Roughly 25 to 40g per sitting with enough leucine to trigger synthesis, three or four times a day, is more effective than the same total in one enormous evening meal — and on a suppressed appetite the enormous evening meal is the one you will not finish anyway.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 9:09 PM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

DEXA scan update relevant to protein intake:

Scanned at months 0, 6, and 12. Here are the body comp numbers:

BaselineMonth 6Month 12
Total mass277 lbs237 lbs204 lbs
Fat mass107 lbs77 lbs54 lbs
Lean mass160 lbs144 lbs151 lbs
Body fat %38%30%23%

Lean mass preserved — actually GAINED 1-2 lbs thanks to progressive overload + 1.4g/kg protein. The protein intake discussion needs to include body comp data, not just scale weight.

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