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Your favorite high-protein restaurants — need advice

ben_calgary Thu, May 16, 2024 at 7:27 PM 12 replies 2,049 viewsPage 1 of 3
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ben_calgary
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May 16, 2024 at 7:27 PM#1

My appetite is suppressed enough that hitting a protein target is now the hardest part of the day, and everything I read assumes I can simply eat more.

The arithmetic that makes it tractable: reference weight in kg times 1.6 gives the target; divide by four for a per-sitting figure; then find four foods that hit that figure in a volume you can actually finish. Most people need two of the four to be liquid or semi-liquid early on.

What I am trying to establish is how people are hitting a protein target on a genuinely suppressed appetite, because volume is the binding constraint rather than willingness.

I have searched first, so if this is covered somewhere point me at it and I will read it.

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DanielChem_CHI
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May 16, 2024 at 7:55 PM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why. 0.8 g/kg is the intake at which nitrogen balance is not negative in healthy weight-stable adults — a floor for deficiency prevention, not an optimum, and derived in a population that is not in a deficit. In a substantial energy deficit, protein requirement rises because amino acids are being oxidised for energy and because muscle protein synthesis is blunted. The literature on preserving lean mass during weight loss lands around 1.4 to 2.0 g/kg of reference body weight, which is roughly two to two and a half times the RDA.

If somebody has the primary source to hand I would rather cite it than paraphrase it.

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May 16, 2024 at 8:23 PM#3
DanielChem_CHI said:
The RDA is the wrong reference and it is worth understanding why.

True, and anyone with reduced kidney function needs that target set by a clinician rather than a forum. High protein is safe in normal kidneys and is not automatically safe in impaired ones.

Correct me if the detail matters more than I have assumed.

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May 16, 2024 at 8:51 PM#4
ben_calgary said:
My appetite is suppressed enough that hitting a protein target is now the hardest part of the day, and everything I read assumes I can simply eat…

Can confirm the pattern ben_calgary describes. Distribution matters less than total but it is not nothing. Roughly 25 to 40g per sitting with enough leucine to trigger synthesis, three or four times a day, is more effective than the same total in one enormous evening meal — and on a suppressed appetite the enormous evening meal is the one you will not finish anyway.

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May 16, 2024 at 11:23 PM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

DEXA scan update relevant to protein intake:

Scanned at months 0, 6, and 12. Here are the body comp numbers:

BaselineMonth 6Month 12
Total mass276 lbs221 lbs203 lbs
Fat mass106 lbs76 lbs53 lbs
Lean mass159 lbs155 lbs150 lbs
Body fat %45%35%22%

Lean mass preserved — actually GAINED 1-2 lbs thanks to progressive overload + 1.6g/kg protein. The protein intake discussion needs to include body comp data, not just scale weight.

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