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Has anyone dealt with novo nordisk vs eli lilly?

tom_AK Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 8:01 PM 6 replies 1,534 viewsPage 2 of 2
JessicaH_TX
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Feb 23, 2025 at 12:13 AM#6
MikeFit_NJ said:
Relative and absolute effects need reading together.

Filing a mild objection. Mild because I might be wrong; an objection because nobody has addressed the case that does not fit. I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them. The results probably generalise, and "probably" should be stated as an assumption rather than dropped.

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Feb 23, 2025 at 1:52 AM#7
tom_AK said:
My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my…

Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational studies can provide useful evidence.

A recent PSM study of 12,000 GLP-1 users vs matched controls showed reduced heart failure hospitalization (HR 0.74) over 3 years of follow-up[1].

These results complement the RCT data and suggest the benefits translate to real-world populations.

References:
[1] Registry-based cohort study, pre-print 2024.
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Feb 23, 2025 at 3:31 AM#8
JessicaH_TX said:
I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them.

Forest plot interpretation for the the trial evidence meta-analysis: when reading the pooled estimate, pay attention to:

  1. Point estimate (HR/RR/OR) — center of the diamond
  2. Confidence interval width — precision of the estimate
  3. I² statistic — heterogeneity across studies
  4. Individual study weights — are results driven by one large trial?
  5. Prediction interval — range of plausible true effects in future settings

The the trial evidence meta-analysis shows a pooled RR of 0.81 (95% CI 0.69-0.86), I²=54%. This is a robust and consistent effect.

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Feb 23, 2025 at 5:10 AM#9

A narrower follow-up, since the general answer is now clear:

Was that from a primary source or from a summary of one?

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Feb 23, 2025 at 1:05 PM#10

OP back with an update, since a thread like this is useless without one.

Update — my curve sits below the published mean and the explanation is that the trial arm had support I do not have. That was reassuring rather than otherwise.

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