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GLP-1 for type 1 diabetes as adjunct — need advice

SarahChen_PharmD Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 10:02 PM 40 replies 1,803 viewsPage 1 of 8
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SarahChen_PharmD
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Jan 31, 2025 at 10:02 PM#1

My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my material.

The question I want answered is how to read a result like this without either dismissing it or over-reading it, since the summaries all read like press releases.

Happy to be told the question itself is wrong.

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PharmD_Rodriguez
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Jan 31, 2025 at 10:13 PM#2

Short answer first, then the reasoning. Relative and absolute effects need reading together. A 20% relative reduction on a high baseline risk is a large absolute benefit; the same relative figure on a low baseline risk is a small one, and press summaries almost always quote the relative number because it is bigger.

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Jan 31, 2025 at 10:24 PM#3
PharmD_Rodriguez said:
Relative and absolute effects need reading together.

Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational studies can provide useful evidence.

A recent PSM study of 25,000 GLP-1 users vs matched controls showed reduced stroke risk (HR 0.82) over 5 years of follow-up[1].

These results complement the RCT data and suggest the benefits translate to real-world populations.

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[1] Registry-based cohort study, pre-print 2024.
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Jan 31, 2025 at 10:35 PM#4
SarahChen_PharmD said:
My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my…

Can confirm the pattern SarahChen_PharmD describes. The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud. Trial participants get titration by protocol, scheduled contact, free drug and dietetic support; removing that infrastructure costs a few percentage points every time it has been measured. When your own curve sits below the published mean, that is the likeliest explanation before anything about you or your material.

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Jan 31, 2025 at 11:31 PM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

SarahChen_PharmD said:
...regarding the trial evidence...

I think this is an underappreciated point. To expand on it with some data:

A recent meta-analysis of 15 RCTs (n=12,300) found that the trial evidence was associated with a clinically meaningful effect size across diverse patient populations[1].

The NNT was 12, which is comparable to statins for secondary prevention. That's a strong clinical argument for this approach.

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