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Insulin icodec (Awiqli) — weekly basal insulin + GLP-1 combo potential

Dr.MetabolicMD Sat, May 23, 2026 at 9:23 AM 15 replies 431 viewsPage 1 of 3
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May 23, 2026 at 9:23 AM#1

Posting this because the summary going around does not say what the paper says, and the difference matters for how people here are using it.

The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud. Trial participants get titration by protocol, scheduled contact, free drug and dietetic support; removing that infrastructure costs a few percentage points every time it has been measured. When your own curve sits below the published mean, that is the likeliest explanation before anything about you or your material.

Where I think it is weakest: the completion rate deserves as much attention as the headline, because a large effect among those who finished is a different claim from a large effect among those enrolled.

The narrow version of the question is how to read a result like this without either dismissing it or over-reading it, since the summaries all read like press releases. Numbers rather than impressions, if you have them.

Note on sourcing:
Figures above are from the primary publication rather than the press summary. If a number here disagrees with one you have, post yours and we will work out which of us is reading a secondary source.
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May 23, 2026 at 10:18 AM#2
Dr.MetabolicMD said:
The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud.

No disagreement with Dr.MetabolicMD. One condition attached. Read four things before the headline number. The population, because trial populations are selected and supported in ways that real cohorts are not. The comparator, because "better than placebo" and "better than the current standard" are different claims and get reported identically. The primary endpoint as pre-registered, because a secondary endpoint promoted after the fact is a hypothesis rather than a finding. And the completion rate, because a large effect in the half of participants who finished is a different result from a large effect in everybody enrolled.

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May 23, 2026 at 11:13 AM#3
Dr.MetabolicMD said:
The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud.

This is where I part company with the consensus forming above. I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them. The results probably generalise, and "probably" should be stated as an assumption rather than dropped.

Ask again with the specifics and you will get a better answer than this one.

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May 23, 2026 at 12:08 PM#4

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. Relative and absolute effects need reading together. A 20% relative reduction on a high baseline risk is a large absolute benefit; the same relative figure on a low baseline risk is a small one, and press summaries almost always quote the relative number because it is bigger.

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May 23, 2026 at 5:23 PM#5
LarryQC_SD said:
Read four things before the headline number.

Mine went the same way, slower.

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