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My wife thinks I am crazy for doing this lol — need advice

LipidDoc_ATL Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 6:38 AM 54 replies 2,912 viewsPage 2 of 11
LarryQC_SD
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Oct 31, 2024 at 9:03 AM#6
Dr.KarenChen said:
Read four things before the headline number.

This is where I part company with the consensus forming above. I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them. The results probably generalise, and "probably" should be stated as an assumption rather than dropped.

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Oct 31, 2024 at 9:59 AM#7
LipidDoc_ATL said:
My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my…

Bayesian meta-analysis perspective on the trial evidence: traditional frequentist meta-analyses report point estimates and confidence intervals. Bayesian approaches provide probability distributions that are more intuitive for clinical decision-making.

For example: "There is a 98.5% probability that semaglutide 2.4mg produces >10% weight loss vs placebo" is more actionable than "RR 3.4, 95% CI 2.8-4.1, p<0.001."

The the trial evidence evidence is strong under both frameworks, but Bayesian analysis better communicates the degree of certainty for individual patient counseling.

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Oct 31, 2024 at 10:55 AM#8
LarryQC_SD said:
I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them.

Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational studies can provide useful evidence.

A recent PSM study of 18,000 GLP-1 users vs matched controls showed reduced heart failure hospitalization (HR 0.74) over 4 years of follow-up[1].

These results complement the RCT data and suggest the benefits translate to real-world populations.

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[1] Registry-based cohort study, pre-print 2024.
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Oct 31, 2024 at 11:51 AM#9

Following on from Dr.LipidDallas — and this may be the naive question:

Was that from a primary source or from a summary of one?

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LipidDoc_ATL
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Oct 31, 2024 at 4:19 PM#10

Closing the loop on my own question.

Update — my curve sits below the published mean and the explanation is that the trial arm had support I do not have. That was reassuring rather than otherwise.

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