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julia.endo Sun, Oct 6, 2024 at 8:55 PM 15 replies 1,920 viewsPage 2 of 3
dave_SLC
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Oct 7, 2024 at 9:47 AM#6
julia.endo said:
The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud.

Bayesian meta-analysis perspective on the trial evidence: traditional frequentist meta-analyses report point estimates and confidence intervals. Bayesian approaches provide probability distributions that are more intuitive for clinical decision-making.

For example: "There is a 98.5% probability that semaglutide 2.4mg produces >10% weight loss vs placebo" is more actionable than "RR 3.4, 95% CI 2.8-4.1, p<0.001."

The the trial evidence evidence is strong under both frameworks, but Bayesian analysis better communicates the degree of certainty for individual patient counseling.

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Oct 7, 2024 at 2:52 PM#7

A narrower follow-up, since the general answer is now clear:

What would you measure differently if you were starting again?

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Oct 7, 2024 at 7:58 PM#8
dave_SLC said:
Bayesian meta-analysis perspective on the trial evidence: traditional frequentist meta-analyses report point estimates and confidence intervals.

Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational studies can provide useful evidence.

A recent PSM study of 18,000 GLP-1 users vs matched controls showed reduced all-cause mortality (HR 0.81) over 4 years of follow-up[1].

These results complement the RCT data and suggest the benefits translate to real-world populations.

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[1] Registry-based cohort study, pre-print 2024.
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Oct 8, 2024 at 1:04 AM#9

Closing the loop on my own question.

Update — my curve sits below the published mean and the explanation is that the trial arm had support I do not have. That was reassuring rather than otherwise.

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Oct 9, 2024 at 1:31 AM#10
Dr.Martinez said:
Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational…
Dr.Martinez said:
...regarding the trial evidence...

I think this is an underappreciated point. To expand on it with some data:

A recent meta-analysis of 15 RCTs (n=12,300) found that the trial evidence was associated with a clinically meaningful effect size across diverse patient populations[1].

The NNT was 12, which is comparable to metformin for T2DM prevention. That's a strong clinical argument for this approach.

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