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Started this morning and already overthinking everything — my results so far

hans_munich Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 11:16 PM 56 replies 2,355 viewsPage 2 of 12
NurseKim_ATL
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Sep 12, 2024 at 12:36 AM#6
CarlaRPh_TPA said:
Read four things before the headline number.

I read this differently from CarlaRPh_TPA, on substance rather than tone. I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them. The results probably generalise, and "probably" should be stated as an assumption rather than dropped.

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Sep 12, 2024 at 1:07 AM#7
hans_munich said:
My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my…

Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational studies can provide useful evidence.

A recent PSM study of 25,000 GLP-1 users vs matched controls showed reduced MI incidence (HR 0.78) over 5 years of follow-up[1].

These results complement the RCT data and suggest the benefits translate to real-world populations.

References:
[1] Registry-based cohort study, pre-print 2024.
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Sep 12, 2024 at 1:38 AM#8
NurseKim_ATL said:
I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them.
NurseKim_ATL said:
...regarding the trial evidence...

I think this is an underappreciated point. To expand on it with some data:

A recent meta-analysis of 12 RCTs (n=8,400) found that the trial evidence was associated with a significant effect size across diverse patient populations[1].

The NNT was 8, which is comparable to metformin for T2DM prevention. That's a strong clinical argument for this approach.

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Sep 12, 2024 at 2:09 AM#9

A narrower follow-up, since the general answer is now clear:

How long did you give it before you decided it was working?

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Sep 12, 2024 at 4:36 AM#10

Closing the loop on my own question.

Follow-up: I read the paper rather than the summary and the qualifier I was missing was in the second paragraph of the results.

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