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Is it normal for the powder to not fully dissolve — July 2024

PedsEndoPhilly Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 3:59 PM 60 replies 3,510 viewsPage 2 of 12
InsuranceTom
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Feb 8, 2024 at 8:38 AM#6
MikeFit_NJ said:
They are two different exemptions from the same federal requirements and they buy different things.

Pushing back on MikeFit_NJ here. A research-chemical supplier selling lyophilised powder labelled research use only is not compounding and is not claiming to. It is a different legal universe with no pharmacy oversight, no patient relationship and no content guarantee, and conflating the two in these threads helps nobody.

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Feb 8, 2024 at 3:15 PM#7
PedsEndoPhilly said:
My pharmacy stopped supplying with three weeks notice and a letter that explained nothing, so I went and read the statute.

Compounding pharmacy customer here with experience relevant to compounded supply.

I've ordered from 4 different compounding pharmacies over the past 14 months. The quality variation is real — purity ranged from 94% to 101% of label claim based on independent Janoshik testing.

My current compounder (a 503B facility) has been consistently 98-101% purity across 8 orders. I pay $147/month vs $1,237 for brand. The savings are substantial and the product is equivalent in my experience.

Re: compounded supply — this applies whether you're using brand or compounded. The clinical principles are the same.

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Feb 8, 2024 at 9:52 PM#8
InsuranceTom said:
A research-chemical supplier selling lyophilised powder labelled research use only is not compounding and is not claiming to.

Price comparison for compounded supply across sources I've used:

SourceMonthly CostTypePurity Verified
Brand (Ozempic)$990FDA-approvedN/A (pharma)
503B Compounding$170cGMP compoundedYes (in-house)
503A Compounding$100Patient-specificVaries
Research peptide$55Not for human useOften Janoshik

I use the 503B option — best balance of quality, cost, and legality. The brand price is insane but insurance can help if you qualify.

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Feb 9, 2024 at 4:29 AM#9

Following on from MounjBrad — and this may be the naive question:

What actually distinguishes 503A from 503B, in terms of what each may make and from what starting material?

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PedsEndoPhilly
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Feb 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM#10

OP back with an update, since a thread like this is useless without one.

The bulks-list asymmetry was the piece I had missed entirely. It explains why one of my two pharmacies is still arguing it can supply and the other simply stopped.

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