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Orforglipron ATTAIN-4 — my results so far

roxy_nash Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 6:46 AM 43 replies 2,076 viewsPage 1 of 9
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roxy_nash
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Jul 12, 2025 at 6:46 AM#1

I have been following the oral non-peptide data since phase 2 and I am trying to work out how much of the enthusiasm here is about efficacy and how much is about not having to inject.

What I am after is whether a non-peptide oral agonist can match injectable exposure in practice, or whether the convenience is bought with a lower ceiling.

I would rather have one careful answer than five confident ones.

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Jul 12, 2025 at 6:59 AM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. Order of operations matters more than any single choice here: establish a baseline, change one thing, wait long enough for it to express itself, then measure again under the same conditions.

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Jul 12, 2025 at 7:12 AM#3
Dr.NateNeph said:
Order of operations matters more than any single choice here: establish a baseline, change one thing, wait long enough for it to express itself, then…

Agreeing with Dr.NateNeph, and the qualification matters more than the agreement. The manufacturing argument is the underrated one. Peptide synthesis capacity has been the binding constraint on this entire class, and a small molecule is made in ordinary chemical plants. If it holds up in phase 3, the supply and price picture changes more than the efficacy picture does.

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Jul 12, 2025 at 7:25 AM#4
roxy_nash said:
I have been following the oral non-peptide data since phase 2 and I am trying to work out how much of the enthusiasm here is about efficacy and how…

Second this. Posting only so the count is not one.

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Jul 12, 2025 at 8:31 AM#5

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads. The mechanism and the magnitude are separate questions. Agreeing that something happens says nothing about whether it happens enough to act on.

Ask again with the specifics and you will get a better answer than this one.

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