Dr.PainCLE said:There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.
Agreeing with Dr.PainCLE, and the qualification matters more than the agreement. Yes, and the corollary is less popular: if the reasoning holds, it also holds where it produces an answer we do not like.
TrialNerd_Beth said:Right, and one flattering data point from a group buy is not consistency.
This is exactly what I could not find anywhere else. Printing the relevant bit and taking it with me.
Dr.PainCLE said:There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.
Pushing back on Dr.PainCLE here. I think the framing smuggles in the conclusion. Ask it the other way round and the obvious answer reverses, which usually means the question is doing the work.
I would rather be corrected than agreed with, if it comes to it.
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Shop Reference StandardsThe figures, for anyone assembling their own picture. For anyone reading later: the numbers in this thread are worth checking against a primary source before you act on them, including mine. Half the figures circulating in this community trace back to a secondary summary that dropped a qualifier.
Ask again with the specifics and you will get a better answer than this one.