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ForumsCrypto & PrivacyPaid with a credit card and now I am paranoid about privacy — 6 month update

Paid with a credit card and now I am paranoid about privacy — 6 month update

JenPlateau Thu, Jul 3, 2025 at 6:52 AM 36 replies 1,557 viewsPage 1 of 8
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JenPlateau
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Jul 3, 2025 at 6:52 AM#1

Putting this up for argument rather than for agreement. I have read it twice and I am still not certain what it supports.

The trade-off is reversibility against privacy and there is no option that gives you both. Card payments are reversible and disclose the most; crypto discloses least and is irreversible, which is precisely why pressure toward it is a warning sign when it comes from a seller rather than a buyer. Escrow only means anything where the escrow agent is independent of both parties, which is rarely the case in practice.

Where I think it is weakest: the follow-up is short relative to how long people actually take these drugs, so durability is an assumption here rather than a finding.

What I am trying to establish is how people are thinking about the trade-off between reversibility and privacy, because you cannot have both. Happy to be told the question itself is wrong.

Note on sourcing:
Figures above are from the primary publication rather than the press summary. If a number here disagrees with one you have, post yours and we will work out which of us is reading a secondary source.
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LarryQC_SD
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Jul 3, 2025 at 8:34 AM#2
JenPlateau said:
The trade-off is reversibility against privacy and there is no option that gives you both.

Correct as far as it goes. The part it does not cover is what to do when the honest answer is "not enough data", which is more often than anyone likes.

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Jul 3, 2025 at 10:16 AM#3
JenPlateau said:
The trade-off is reversibility against privacy and there is no option that gives you both.

I read this differently from JenPlateau, on substance rather than tone. Not convinced. The evidence being cited is consistent with the conclusion and also consistent with two other conclusions nobody has ruled out.

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Jul 3, 2025 at 11:58 AM#4

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. It is worth asking what the claim would look like if it were false. If nothing would look different, it is not a claim about the world and no amount of discussion will settle it.

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Jul 3, 2025 at 9:56 PM#5
LarryQC_SD said:
The part it does not cover is what to do when the honest answer is "not enough data", which is more often than anyone likes.

Same pattern here, and in the same order. I had assumed I was the exception until I read this.

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