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BPC-157 actually fixed my bad knee?? Is this placebo — what worked for you?

tyler_CSCS Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 10:27 PM 18 replies 2,233 viewsPage 2 of 4
LabKate
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Jun 26, 2024 at 3:18 AM#6
tyler_CSCS said:
Relative and absolute effects need reading together.

Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational studies can provide useful evidence.

A recent PSM study of 18,000 GLP-1 users vs matched controls showed reduced stroke risk (HR 0.82) over 4 years of follow-up[1].

These results complement the RCT data and suggest the benefits translate to real-world populations.

References:
[1] Registry-based cohort study, pre-print 2024.
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Jun 26, 2024 at 5:12 AM#7

Following on from Dr.GastroMayo — and this may be the naive question:

How long did you give it before you decided it was working?

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Jun 26, 2024 at 7:06 AM#8
LabKate said:
Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational…
LabKate said:
...regarding the trial evidence...

I think this is an underappreciated point. To expand on it with some data:

A recent meta-analysis of 18 RCTs (n=15,600) found that the trial evidence was associated with a robust effect size across diverse patient populations[1].

The NNT was 15, which is comparable to metformin for T2DM prevention. That's a strong clinical argument for this approach.

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Jun 26, 2024 at 9:00 AM#9

Reporting back.

Update — my curve sits below the published mean and the explanation is that the trial arm had support I do not have. That was reassuring rather than otherwise.

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Jun 26, 2024 at 6:07 PM#10
jim_asheville said:
LabKate said: ...regarding the trial evidence...

Forest plot interpretation for the the trial evidence meta-analysis: when reading the pooled estimate, pay attention to:

  1. Point estimate (HR/RR/OR) — center of the diamond
  2. Confidence interval width — precision of the estimate
  3. I² statistic — heterogeneity across studies
  4. Individual study weights — are results driven by one large trial?
  5. Prediction interval — range of plausible true effects in future settings

The the trial evidence meta-analysis shows a pooled RR of 0.86 (95% CI 0.69-0.86), I²=44%. This is a robust and consistent effect.

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