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Survodutide MASH Phase 2b — 6 month update

fiona_VT Sun, Dec 29, 2024 at 7:41 AM 16 replies 1,805 viewsPage 1 of 4
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Dec 29, 2024 at 7:41 AM#1

Following the glucagon co-agonists mostly for the liver endpoints rather than the weight ones, which seems to be the opposite of how they get discussed here.

What I am after is whether the liver signal is independent of weight loss or downstream of it, because that determines whether any of this is interesting for someone whose weight is already where they want it.

I would rather have one careful answer than five confident ones.

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Dec 29, 2024 at 8:51 AM#2

Short answer first, then the reasoning. The liver data is among the strongest non-weight findings in the class. The semaglutide MASH programme reported a large advantage over placebo on MASH resolution, with a substantial minority also achieving fibrosis improvement — and fibrosis is the endpoint that predicts outcomes. Mechanistically it is reduced hepatic lipogenesis, increased fatty-acid oxidation, less hepatic inflammation, and possibly a direct effect on stellate-cell activation.

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Dec 29, 2024 at 10:01 AM#3
kate.chem said:
The liver data is among the strongest non-weight findings in the class.

Agreed, and ALT falling is not the same as fibrosis improving. Enzymes are a crude proxy; FIB-4 or elastography is what tells you about the thing that matters.

Ask again with the specifics and you will get a better answer than this one.

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Dec 29, 2024 at 11:11 AM#4
fiona_VT said:
Following the glucagon co-agonists mostly for the liver endpoints rather than the weight ones, which seems to be the opposite of how they get…

Adding a me-too, because a thread of one person's experience is not much use. I had assumed I was the exception until I read this.

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Dec 29, 2024 at 5:56 PM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

Glucagon receptor pharmacology in triple agonists (retatrutide), relevant to the glucagon co-agonists: the glucagon component is the most controversial because glucagon traditionally raises blood glucose. So why include it in an anti-obesity drug?

Key insight: glucagon increases energy expenditure (thermogenesis), promotes hepatic lipid oxidation, and reduces appetite through distinct CNS mechanisms. The hyperglycemic effect is counterbalanced by the GLP-1 component's insulin secretagogue action.

Net result: more weight loss through increased expenditure (glucagon) + decreased intake (GLP-1/GIP), with neutral or improved glycemia. An elegant pharmacological balancing act[1].

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[1] Day JW, et al. Nat Rev Drug Discov. 2022;21:37-54.
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