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What even IS a COA and why should I care — my results so far

RunnerRach Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 11:36 AM 13 replies 1,672 viewsPage 1 of 3
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RunnerRach
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Jan 9, 2025 at 11:36 AM#1

Writing this once so I can stop repeating it across threads. It is about certificates of analysis, and it is deliberately narrow — everything I am not confident about is marked as such.

What is actually established

The provenance questions are more useful than the numbers. Does the report name the batch on your vial. Is the date consistent with when that batch existed. Is it addressed to the vendor or to the person who paid for the test. Was the sample taken from general stock or supplied by the vendor. A perfect certificate for a different batch is worth nothing, and vendor-supplied samples are the most common way a genuine report ends up misleading.

The condition it depends on

Mass spec answers a question purity does not: identity. High purity tells you one thing dominates the chromatogram, not that it is the molecule you ordered. A mass within about a dalton of expected is the identity check.

The practical version

The four things to check on any report, in order: does it name your batch, who commissioned it, what method was used, and does it report content as well as purity. A report failing any of those is weak evidence regardless of the percentage on it.

What I am not sure about

What I am trying to establish is why two laboratories report different purity for the same batch, and which number to believe. I have searched first, so if this is covered somewhere point me at it and I will read it.

— RunnerRach · corrections welcome and will be edited into this post with credit
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PeptideChemSF
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Jan 9, 2025 at 12:03 PM#2
RunnerRach said:
The provenance questions are more useful than the numbers.

RunnerRach has the substance of this right. The condition it depends on is worth stating. Inter-laboratory variation comes from real methodological differences, not sloppiness: which reference standard was used and how it was itself calibrated, the gradient and column, the detection wavelength, and where the integration baseline was drawn. A percentage point or two between competent labs is expected. What is not expected is a large gap, and the usual explanation there is that one report is not of the batch in your hand.

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Jan 9, 2025 at 12:30 PM#3
RunnerRach said:
The provenance questions are more useful than the numbers.

I am more sceptical of certificates as a category than this thread is. The document tells you about a sample somebody chose to send, at a moment in time, and nothing about the vial in your hand. Independent purchase-and-test is a different quality of evidence and everything else is inference.

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Jan 9, 2025 at 12:57 PM#4

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. They are not contradictory, they measure different things, and this is the single most common misreading of a certificate. Purity is a relative area measurement: the main peak as a percentage of total peak area in the chromatogram. Content is an absolute mass measurement against a reference standard. A vial can be 99% pure and contain 6.1mg — pure material, overfilled — or 99% pure and contain 3mg, which is pure material and a short fill. Purity tells you what fraction of what is there is the right molecule; content tells you how much of it there is. You need both, and a certificate with only purity is telling you half the story.

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Jan 9, 2025 at 3:24 PM#5
PeptideChemSF said:
Inter-laboratory variation comes from real methodological differences, not sloppiness: which reference standard was used and how it was itself…

Adding a me-too, because a thread of one person's experience is not much use.

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