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Got off metformin for the first time in 8 years - crying happy tears — need advice

gary_naperville Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 9:24 PM 29 replies 1,622 viewsPage 1 of 6
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gary_naperville
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Sep 10, 2025 at 9:24 PM#1

Read the primary source rather than the write-up and the two do not agree, so here is what is actually in it.

HbA1c reflects roughly three months of average glycaemia weighted toward the most recent weeks, which is why repeating it at six weeks tells you very little. The improvement on this class comes from two directions — direct glucose-dependent insulin secretion and glucagon suppression, plus the indirect effect of weight loss on insulin sensitivity — and the second continues after the first has plateaued.

Where I think it is weakest: the subgroup findings are the part I trust least — with enough subgroups something is always significant, and these were not all pre-registered.

The question I want answered is why A1C lags the way it does, and what to look at in the meantime if you want to know sooner. I have searched first, so if this is covered somewhere point me at it and I will read it.

Note on sourcing:
Figures above are from the primary publication rather than the press summary. If a number here disagrees with one you have, post yours and we will work out which of us is reading a secondary source.
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Sep 10, 2025 at 10:26 PM#2
gary_naperville said:
HbA1c reflects roughly three months of average glycaemia weighted toward the most recent weeks, which is why repeating it at six weeks tells you very…

Patient selection optimization for glycaemic control: emerging predictive biomarkers for GLP-1 agonist response include:

BiomarkerAssociationEvidence Level
Baseline BMIHigher BMI → greater absolute weight lossStrong
Fasting insulinHigher insulin → better responseModerate
GLP1R gene variantsrs6923761 → variable responsePreliminary
Baseline hsCRPHigher CRP → greater CV benefitModerate
Early weight loss (4 wk)≥3% at 4 wks → strong predictor of ≥10% at 68 wksStrong

The 4-week early responder criterion is the most clinically actionable: if you haven't lost ≥3% by week 4 at a therapeutic dose, discuss optimization strategies with your provider.

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Dr.NutriCornell
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Sep 10, 2025 at 11:28 PM#3
gary_naperville said:
HbA1c reflects roughly three months of average glycaemia weighted toward the most recent weeks, which is why repeating it at six weeks tells you very…

My labs after 3 months on glycaemic control: A1C 5.3%, fasting glucose 83 mg/dL, fasting insulin 4 uIU/mL. My endo says these are "textbook perfect."

For context, my baseline A1C was 8.1% and fasting glucose was 128 mg/dL. The improvement has been dramatic and consistent.

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Sep 11, 2025 at 12:30 AM#4
Dr.NutriCornell said:
My labs after 3 months on glycaemic control: A1C 5.3%, fasting glucose 83 mg/dL, fasting insulin 4 uIU/mL.

Glycemic variability as the key metric for glycaemic control success: my coefficient of variation (CV) on CGM dropped from 41% to 19%. Target is <36%, with <30% being ideal.

Why this matters more than average glucose: large glucose swings cause oxidative stress, endothelial damage, and promote advanced glycation end-products (AGEs). A flat glucose line at 95 mg/dL is metabolically healthier than oscillating between 60 and 160, even if the average is the same.

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Sep 11, 2025 at 6:22 AM#5
Dr.GutHealth said:
Patient selection optimization for glycaemic control: emerging predictive biomarkers for GLP-1 agonist response include: Biomarker Association…

Adding a me-too, because a thread of one person's experience is not much use.

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