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Glucagon receptor signaling — what worked for you?

KristenIndy Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 2:45 AM 14 replies 2,333 viewsPage 1 of 3
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Jan 9, 2024 at 2:45 AM#1

Watching the glucagon co-agonists for the liver endpoints and finding almost nothing written about them that is not a press release.

The narrow version of the question is whether the liver signal is independent of weight loss or downstream of it, because that determines whether any of this is interesting for someone whose weight is already where they want it.

Happy to be told the question itself is wrong.

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Jan 9, 2024 at 2:54 AM#2

Short answer first, then the reasoning. The pharmacokinetics explain nearly every practical question asked here. Albumin binding above 99% slows clearance enough to make weekly dosing possible; a terminal half-life near a week means four to five weeks to steady state and therefore a four-week titration interval; subcutaneous bioavailability around 89% means injection site barely matters. Those three facts answer most timing questions before they are asked.

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Jan 9, 2024 at 3:03 AM#3
TirzTom said:
The pharmacokinetics explain nearly every practical question asked here.

Agreed, and the adaptation point cuts both ways: tachyphylaxis to gastric emptying is why tolerability improves, and it is also why people who were relying on physical fullness feel the effect fade while the appetite effect is still working.

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Jan 9, 2024 at 3:12 AM#4
KristenIndy said:
Watching the glucagon co-agonists for the liver endpoints and finding almost nothing written about them that is not a press release.

Can confirm. Same sequence, different timescale.

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Jan 9, 2024 at 3:56 AM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly.

Glucagon receptor pharmacology in triple agonists (retatrutide), relevant to the glucagon co-agonists: the glucagon component is the most controversial because glucagon traditionally raises blood glucose. So why include it in an anti-obesity drug?

Key insight: glucagon increases energy expenditure (thermogenesis), promotes hepatic lipid oxidation, and reduces appetite through distinct CNS mechanisms. The hyperglycemic effect is counterbalanced by the GLP-1 component's insulin secretagogue action.

Net result: more weight loss through increased expenditure (glucagon) + decreased intake (GLP-1/GIP), with neutral or improved glycemia. An elegant pharmacological balancing act[1].

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[1] Day JW, et al. Nat Rev Drug Discov. 2022;21:37-54.
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