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Amylin co-agonism: CagriSema REDEFINE results and implications — 6 month update

Dr.SportsMedIN Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 10:44 AM 31 replies 1,645 viewsPage 2 of 7
dave_SLC
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Apr 16, 2025 at 2:56 PM#6

One concrete data point for the thread. Numbers worth memorising for this class: Tmax one to three days for the weekly peptides, terminal half-life about a week for semaglutide and about five days for tirzepatide, steady state at four to five half-lives, subcutaneous bioavailability high enough that site choice is irrelevant.

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Apr 16, 2025 at 4:35 PM#7

One thing that is still open after Dr.LipidDallas’s answer:

Which effects tachyphylax and which persist, because the answer explains why tolerability improves while the appetite effect keeps working?

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Apr 16, 2025 at 6:14 PM#8
dave_SLC said:
Numbers worth memorising for this class: Tmax one to three days for the weekly peptides, terminal half-life about a week for semaglutide and about…

There is a second half to this that has not been said yet. Whatever the answer turns out to be, the method for getting there is the same: state the assumption, do the arithmetic in public, and invite the correction. That is slower than asserting, and it is the only version that survives being wrong.

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Apr 16, 2025 at 7:53 PM#9

Reporting back.

Update — tachyphylaxis to the gastric effect, persistence of the appetite effect. Two curves, and I had been watching the wrong one.

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sarah_TO said:
Whatever the answer turns out to be, the method for getting there is the same: state the assumption, do the arithmetic in public, and invite the…

Correct as far as it goes. The part it does not cover is what to do when the honest answer is "not enough data", which is more often than anyone likes.

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