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Is there a ceiling effect for GLP-1-mediated weight loss? — looking for input

VanRx_Mike Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 4:23 PM 17 replies 2,124 viewsPage 2 of 4
FDA_TrackerJim
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Aug 5, 2024 at 11:34 AM#6
Dr.CardioMD said:
The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud.

This is where I part company with the consensus forming above. I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them. The results probably generalise, and "probably" should be stated as an assumption rather than dropped.

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Aug 5, 2024 at 7:11 PM#7
VanRx_Mike said:
My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my…
VanRx_Mike said:
...regarding the trial evidence...

I think this is an underappreciated point. To expand on it with some data:

A recent meta-analysis of 15 RCTs (n=12,300) found that the trial evidence was associated with a clinically meaningful effect size across diverse patient populations[1].

The NNT was 12, which is comparable to antihypertensives for stroke reduction. That's a strong clinical argument for this approach.

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Aug 6, 2024 at 2:48 AM#8
FDA_TrackerJim said:
I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them.

Bayesian meta-analysis perspective on the trial evidence: traditional frequentist meta-analyses report point estimates and confidence intervals. Bayesian approaches provide probability distributions that are more intuitive for clinical decision-making.

For example: "There is a 98.5% probability that semaglutide 2.4mg produces >10% weight loss vs placebo" is more actionable than "RR 3.4, 95% CI 2.8-4.1, p<0.001."

The the trial evidence evidence is strong under both frameworks, but Bayesian analysis better communicates the degree of certainty for individual patient counseling.

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Aug 6, 2024 at 10:24 AM#9

A narrower follow-up, since the general answer is now clear:

How long did you give it before you decided it was working?

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Aug 7, 2024 at 10:54 PM#10

OP back with an update, since a thread like this is useless without one.

Follow-up: I read the paper rather than the summary and the qualifier I was missing was in the second paragraph of the results.

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