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NNT for MACE prevention — 6 month update

MikeNYC_runner Mon, Aug 25, 2025 at 1:57 AM 12 replies 1,433 viewsPage 1 of 3
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MikeNYC_runner
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Aug 25, 2025 at 1:57 AM#1

Prescribed on cardiovascular grounds rather than for weight, and almost everything written for patients assumes the opposite.

What I am after is how much of the SELECT benefit is plausibly independent of the weight loss, and whether that distinction changes anything practical.

Tell me what I have not thought of.

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Aug 25, 2025 at 2:35 AM#2
MikeNYC_runner said:
Prescribed on cardiovascular grounds rather than for weight, and almost everything written for patients assumes the opposite.

Vitamin deficiency cascade with cardiovascular risk: after 6+ months of reduced food intake, I developed a subtle but important pattern: low B12 → elevated homocysteine → increased cardiovascular risk marker.

The connection: B12 is a cofactor for homocysteine metabolism. Without adequate B12, homocysteine accumulates. This is ironic — taking a CV-protective medication while developing a CV risk factor from reduced nutrition.

Solution: comprehensive vitamin supplementation and regular lab monitoring. Don't let the medication's benefits be undermined by nutritional deficiencies.

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Aug 25, 2025 at 3:13 AM#3
COA_Karl said:
Vitamin deficiency cascade with cardiovascular risk: after 6+ months of reduced food intake, I developed a subtle but important pattern: low B12 →…

Lp(a) and cardiovascular risk: a nuance that matters. Unlike most lipid markers, Lp(a) is 90%+ genetically determined and doesn't really change with weight loss or GLP-1 therapy.

My Lp(a) has remained at 47 nmol/L across all time points. If yours is elevated (>50 nmol/L), you need additional risk mitigation strategies regardless of your GLP-1 response. Don't assume your medication is covering all cardiovascular risk factors.

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Aug 25, 2025 at 3:51 AM#4
MikeNYC_runner said:
Prescribed on cardiovascular grounds rather than for weight, and almost everything written for patients assumes the opposite.

Second this. I had assumed I was the exception until I read this.

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Aug 25, 2025 at 7:22 AM#5

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads.

Metabolic syndrome resolution on cardiovascular risk: I went from meeting 3 of 5 diagnostic criteria to meeting ZERO after 14 months of treatment.

The 5 criteria (and my journey):

  1. Waist circumference: 53" → 37" ✅ Resolved
  2. Triglycerides: 243 → 98 ✅ Resolved
  3. HDL: 37 → 55 ✅ Resolved
  4. Blood pressure: 143/93 → 121/75 ✅ Resolved
  5. Fasting glucose: 123 → 89 ✅ Resolved

Metabolic syndrome reversal is, in my view, the most medically significant outcome of GLP-1 therapy.

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