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Compounded sema potency testing — 6 month update

fiona_glasgow Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 7:33 AM 14 replies 1,904 viewsPage 1 of 3
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fiona_glasgow
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Sep 24, 2024 at 7:33 AM#1

Two pharmacies quoted me last year, one describing itself as 503A and one as 503B, and I assumed 503B just meant bigger until both stopped within weeks of each other.

Two things anyone can check: a state licence number for a 503A, and an FDA outsourcing-facility registration for a 503B. Both are publicly searchable, and a pharmacy unwilling to give you either has answered the question.

What would genuinely help is knowing why a shortage listing created a legal pathway at all, since a shortage is a supply fact rather than a permission.

Not looking for reassurance. Looking for the part I have got wrong.

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Sep 24, 2024 at 7:42 AM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. The shortage clause is the answer to the second question and it is a subtraction rather than an addition. Both exemptions forbid compounding something that is essentially a copy of a commercially available approved product. A product FDA has listed as in shortage is not treated as commercially available, so listing removed the objection that otherwise blocked compounding. It never created a permission; it withdrew a prohibition, which is why it evaporated the moment the supply fact changed.

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Sep 24, 2024 at 7:51 AM#3
VendorMark said:
The shortage clause is the answer to the second question and it is a subtraction rather than an addition.

No disagreement with VendorMark. One condition attached. Worth adding the genuine exception, because it is real and narrow: a change made for an identified patient where the prescriber determines it produces a significant clinical difference for that patient. A grid of fixed doses offered to everybody is not that, whatever the intake form says.

I would rather be corrected than agreed with, if it comes to it.

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Sep 24, 2024 at 8:00 AM#4
fiona_glasgow said:
Two pharmacies quoted me last year, one describing itself as 503A and one as 503B, and I assumed 503B just meant bigger until both stopped within…

Can confirm the pattern fiona_glasgow describes. They are two different exemptions from the same federal requirements and they buy different things. A 503A pharmacy is regulated primarily by the state board, needs a patient-specific prescription, is exempt from CGMP, and may use a bulk substance that has a USP monograph, is a component of an approved drug, or appears on the 503A bulks list — three independent doorways. A 503B outsourcing facility registers with the FDA, is inspected on a risk basis, must comply with CGMP, may compound for office stock without a patient-specific prescription, and has one doorway to a permitted bulk substance: the 503B bulks list, or the drug shortage list.

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Sep 24, 2024 at 8:46 AM#5

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads.

Beyond-use dating (BUD) for compounded supply compounded products:

Lyophilized (unreconstituted): typically 12 months from compounding date
Reconstituted with BAC water: typically 28-30 days refrigerated
Reconstituted with sterile water: typically 48 hours (no preservative!)

Always use BAC water for multi-dose vials. Sterile water has no preservative and supports bacterial growth after first puncture. This is a common and potentially dangerous mistake.

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