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ForumsCardiovascular OutcomesDo the heart benefits go away if I stop taking it? — looking for input Page 2

Do the heart benefits go away if I stop taking it? — looking for input

DeniseRN_TPA Sat, Oct 19, 2024 at 12:02 AM 45 replies 2,308 viewsPage 2 of 9
Dr.NateNeph
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DeniseRN_TPA said:
SELECT is the trial that changed the framing of this class, because it was an outcome trial rather than a weight trial: about a 20% relative reduction…
DeniseRN_TPA said:
...we don't know the long-term effects of cardiovascular risk...

This is a fair point, and I think intellectual honesty requires acknowledging it. GLP-1 agonists in their current form have ~8-10 years of human exposure data. That's not nothing, but it's not 30+ years either.

However: the risk-benefit calculation should also consider the KNOWN long-term effects of untreated obesity — diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, joint destruction, reduced lifespan by 5-10 years.

Uncertainty about GLP-1 long-term safety vs certainty about obesity consequences. The calculus seems clear to me, but reasonable people can disagree.

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Oct 20, 2024 at 4:53 PM#7

A narrower follow-up, since the general answer is now clear:

Did your prescriber agree with that reading, and if not what was their objection?

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Oct 21, 2024 at 4:33 AM#8
Dr.NateNeph said:
DeniseRN_TPA said: ...we don't know the long-term effects of cardiovascular risk...

Dizziness and cardiovascular risk: I was lightheaded for the first 3 weeks. Root cause was a combination of reduced caloric intake and mild dehydration.

Fix: minimum 80-100oz water daily, don't skip meals even if you're not hungry (eat small protein-rich snacks), and stand up slowly from sitting/lying positions. Also check your blood pressure — GLP-1-induced weight loss can make BP meds too strong, requiring dose reduction.

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Oct 21, 2024 at 4:13 PM#9
Dr.NateNeph said:
DeniseRN_TPA said: ...we don't know the long-term effects of cardiovascular risk...

Positive "side effect" of cardiovascular risk: my blood pressure dropped so much that I'm now off losartan entirely! My cardiologist is thrilled.

If you're on BP meds and losing weight on a GLP-1, monitor your BP at home regularly. Hypotension symptoms (dizziness, lightheadedness when standing) mean your BP meds may need reduction. Don't wait for your next scheduled appointment — call your doctor.

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Dizziness and cardiovascular risk: I was lightheaded for the first 3 weeks.

6 month update on cardiovascular risk: down 54 lbs, off blood pressure meds, A1C normalized. Genuinely life-changing.

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