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STEP-HFpEF: semaglutide in heart failure with preserved EF — what worked for you?

Dr.GutHealth Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 4:44 AM 10 replies 1,930 viewsPage 1 of 2
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Aug 30, 2024 at 4:44 AM#1

My reason for being on this is cardiovascular rather than cosmetic, which puts me in a small minority in most of these threads.

So the question, as narrowly as I can put it: how much of the SELECT benefit is plausibly independent of the weight loss, and whether that distinction changes anything practical.

I would rather have one careful answer than five confident ones.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 5:07 AM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. The mechanism that matters here is not stomach emptying, it is central. GLP-1 receptor agonism in the arcuate nucleus stimulates POMC neurons and suppresses AgRP/NPY signalling, which is why the effect is appetite and food salience rather than physical fullness. Delayed gastric emptying largely tachyphylaxes over the first months; the appetite effect does not.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 5:30 AM#3
sarah.morrison said:
The mechanism that matters here is not stomach emptying, it is central.

All true, with one condition: that curve is for people who reached the dose on schedule. Anyone who slowed the ladder for tolerability is on a different, flatter curve, and comparing yourself with the published mean will make you feel like a non-responder when you are not.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 5:53 AM#4
Dr.GutHealth said:
My reason for being on this is cardiovascular rather than cosmetic, which puts me in a small minority in most of these threads.

Agreed, though "tolerable" needs defining. A dose you tolerate by eating almost nothing is not tolerated, it is being paid for somewhere else — usually in lean mass, sometimes in adherence three months later.

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Aug 30, 2024 at 7:58 AM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

Dizziness and cardiovascular risk: I was lightheaded for the first 2 weeks. Root cause was a combination of reduced caloric intake and mild dehydration.

Fix: minimum 80-100oz water daily, don't skip meals even if you're not hungry (eat small protein-rich snacks), and stand up slowly from sitting/lying positions. Also check your blood pressure — GLP-1-induced weight loss can make BP meds too strong, requiring dose reduction.

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