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GCG receptor signaling deep dive — looking for input

VanRx_Mike Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 5:31 AM 20 replies 2,393 viewsPage 2 of 4
Dr.NateNeph
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Feb 22, 2024 at 7:02 AM#6
PurityPaulOR said:
PK/PD modeling for the pharmacology: understanding the pharmacokinetics helps optimize dosing.

Pharmacist here. I want to add the drug interaction perspective on the pharmacology.

Key points from a pharmacokinetic standpoint:

  • GLP-1 agonists delay gastric emptying, which can affect Tmax of co-administered oral medications
  • Monitor patients on warfarin (INR), levothyroxine (TSH), and oral contraceptives during dose titration
  • The albumin-binding mechanism of semaglutide (C-18 fatty acid linker) gives it the ~168-hour half-life that enables weekly dosing
  • Steady state is reached at approximately 4-5 weeks after dose initiation or adjustment

Re: the pharmacology specifically — the pharmacology here is well-characterized and the clinical implications are straightforward.

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Feb 22, 2024 at 7:37 AM#7
VanRx_Mike said:
Reading about receptor desensitisation and trying to work out which of the effects adapt over time and which do not, because people clearly experience…

Semaglutide structural biology relevant to the pharmacology: semaglutide is a 31-amino acid peptide with 94% homology to native GLP-1(7-36). Three key modifications enable its pharmacokinetic profile:

  1. Aib8 substitution: DPP-4 resistance (prevents enzymatic degradation)
  2. Arg34 substitution: improved chemical stability
  3. C18 fatty diacid at Lys26: albumin binding → long half-life

These three modifications transform a peptide with a 2-minute half-life (native GLP-1) into one with a 168-hour half-life (semaglutide). A masterclass in peptide engineering.

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Feb 22, 2024 at 8:12 AM#8
Dr.NateNeph said:
I want to add the drug interaction perspective on the pharmacology.

Receptor pharmacology relevant to the pharmacology: semaglutide is a GLP-1R agonist with a C-18 fatty acid chain that enables albumin binding (>99%), creating a depot effect with a ~168-hour half-life enabling weekly dosing[1].

Tirzepatide is a dual GIP/GLP-1R agonist with higher GIP affinity (5:1 GIP:GLP-1 potency ratio). The GIP component may enhance beta-cell function and adipocyte lipid metabolism beyond what GLP-1 alone achieves.

For the pharmacology, the pharmacology explains the clinical differences between these agents.

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[1] Lau J, et al. J Med Chem. 2015;58(18):7370-7380.
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Feb 22, 2024 at 8:47 AM#9

One thing that is still open after Dr.LeslieOBGYN’s answer:

How long did you give it before you decided it was working?

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Feb 22, 2024 at 11:35 AM#10

Reporting back.

Closing this out: the trough rather than the peak explains the pattern I was seeing on day six, which I had been blaming on the vial.

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