Dr.PulmRoch said:There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.
That is right, and it stops being right at the edges. The general case is well behaved; the interesting cases in this thread are all at the boundary where the general case breaks.
newstart_MO said:Agreed, with the usual condition: that holds for the average and this board is a collection of individuals.
Saving this. It is the first explanation that did not require me to already understand it. I will report back once I have actually tried it.
Dr.PulmRoch said:There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.
This is where I part company with the consensus forming above. Pushing back on the consensus forming here. Consistency is not the same as correctness, and a board that agrees with itself quickly is usually agreeing with the first person who sounded certain.
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View ResultsAdding the numbers, since they settle part of this. The boring version of this is the one that works, and the boring version is: measure a baseline, change one variable, wait, measure again under the same conditions. Nobody wants that answer and it is still the answer.