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Semaglutide and MASH — 6 month update

Dr.ReproEndo Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 1:09 PM 11 replies 2,208 viewsPage 1 of 3
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Dr.ReproEndo
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Feb 22, 2024 at 1:09 PM#1

I moved from brand to compounded semaglutide at the same nominal dose and cannot decide whether what changed is the material, my titration, or my expectations.

For anyone assembling their own picture: Tmax is one to three days, terminal half-life about 165 to 170 hours, steady state at four to five weeks, and subcutaneous bioavailability near 89%. Those four numbers explain most of the questions people ask about timing.

So the question, as narrowly as I can put it: whether anyone has held at a sub-maximal dose long term and kept the result, or whether the maintenance data only exists at 2.4mg.

If the honest answer is that nobody knows, that is a useful answer and I would rather have it.

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Feb 22, 2024 at 1:39 PM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. The dose-response is real but shallow at the top. Across STEP 1 and STEP 4 the gap between 1.7mg and 2.4mg is a couple of percentage points of body weight on average, and the average is carrying a wide spread — plenty of people at 1.7mg sit above the 2.4mg mean. If a dose is working and tolerable, "working" is the relevant variable, not "maximal".

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Feb 22, 2024 at 2:09 PM#3
Dr.PainCLE said:
The dose-response is real but shallow at the top.

Agreeing with Dr.PainCLE, and the qualification matters more than the agreement. Steady state is the thing most people miss. The terminal half-life is about a week, so every dose step takes four to five weeks to fully express itself. Judging a step at day ten is judging the ascent, not the plateau, and it is the single commonest reason people escalate before they needed to.

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Feb 22, 2024 at 2:39 PM#4
Dr.ReproEndo said:
I moved from brand to compounded semaglutide at the same nominal dose and cannot decide whether what changed is the material, my titration, or my…

That holds for the injectable. The oral formulation has different absorption behaviour and the dose numbers are not interchangeable, which is worth saying out loud because people quote them as if they were.

Ask again with the specifics and you will get a better answer than this one.

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Feb 22, 2024 at 5:23 PM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

Dr.ReproEndo said:
...but the FDA says semaglutide...

Interesting point. I want to add some regulatory nuance: the FDA labeling reflects the specific clinical trial data submitted for approval. Real-world clinical practice often extends beyond the FDA label based on emerging evidence and clinical judgment.

Example: semaglutide was first approved for diabetes (Ozempic), then obesity (Wegovy). The molecule didn't change — our understanding of its applications expanded. Similarly, semaglutide may evolve as more data accumulates.

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