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Has anyone dealt with rybelsus real-world vs clinical trial efficacy?

NeuroNate Sat, Oct 19, 2024 at 12:13 AM 31 replies 2,377 viewsPage 1 of 7
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Oct 19, 2024 at 12:13 AM#1

Read the primary source rather than the write-up and the two do not agree, so here is what is actually in it.

Oral semaglutide is absorbed in the stomach with the help of SNAC, which locally raises pH and protects the peptide long enough to cross. That mechanism is fragile: bioavailability is roughly 1% and highly sensitive to gastric contents, so a mouthful of coffee genuinely changes the exposure. This is why the label wants 30 minutes and no more than half a glass of plain water.

Where I think it is weakest: the population was selected and supported in ways a real cohort is not, so I would read the effect size as a ceiling rather than an expectation.

The narrow version of the question is how much of the oral variability is the SNAC absorption window and how much is dose, because the two get conflated constantly. Happy to be told the question itself is wrong.

Note on sourcing:
Figures above are from the primary publication rather than the press summary. If a number here disagrees with one you have, post yours and we will work out which of us is reading a secondary source.
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Oct 19, 2024 at 12:50 AM#2
NeuroNate said:
Oral semaglutide is absorbed in the stomach with the help of SNAC, which locally raises pH and protects the peptide long enough to cross.

That is correct as far as it goes, and here is where it stops going. Orforglipron is the more interesting oral story because it is not a peptide at all. Being a small molecule it does not need SNAC, does not need the fasting window, and has oral bioavailability in the tens of percent rather than about one.

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Oct 19, 2024 at 1:27 AM#3
NeuroNate said:
Oral semaglutide is absorbed in the stomach with the help of SNAC, which locally raises pH and protects the peptide long enough to cross.

I do not accept that the fasting window is a minor inconvenience. Adherence data on daily orals with timing requirements is consistently worse than weekly injections, and a drug you take imperfectly is a lower dose than the one on the box.

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Oct 19, 2024 at 2:04 AM#4

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. The OASIS programme put 50mg oral in the same territory as 2.4mg injectable — around 15% mean weight loss — but it needed a dose 20 times larger to get there because almost none of the tablet is absorbed. The dose numbers are not comparable across routes and quoting them side by side confuses people.

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Oct 19, 2024 at 5:32 AM#5
PurityPaulOR said:
Orforglipron is the more interesting oral story because it is not a peptide at all.

Agreed, and subgroup analyses deserve particular suspicion. With enough subgroups something is significant by chance, and pre-registered subgroups are a different animal from ones found afterwards.

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