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Arterial stiffness reduction on GLP-1 — July 2024

pat_auckland Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 4:47 PM 47 replies 2,796 viewsPage 5 of 10
TrialNerd_Beth
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Mar 6, 2024 at 8:58 AM#21
bri_stats said:
6 month update on cardiovascular risk: down 64 lbs, off blood pressure meds, A1C normalized.

Thank you — that is the clearest version of this I have read, and I have read a lot of them. Taking it to my next appointment.

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anna.melb_AU
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Mar 17, 2024 at 9:11 AM#22

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

bri_stats said:
...we don't know the long-term effects of cardiovascular risk...

This is a fair point, and I think intellectual honesty requires acknowledging it. GLP-1 agonists in their current form have ~8-10 years of human exposure data. That's not nothing, but it's not 30+ years either.

However: the risk-benefit calculation should also consider the KNOWN long-term effects of untreated obesity — diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, joint destruction, reduced lifespan by 5-10 years.

Uncertainty about GLP-1 long-term safety vs certainty about obesity consequences. The calculus seems clear to me, but reasonable people can disagree.

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Mar 28, 2024 at 9:18 AM#23
anna.melb_AU said:
bri_stats said: ...we don't know the long-term effects of cardiovascular risk...

Second this.

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Apr 8, 2024 at 9:19 AM#24
anna.melb_AU said:
bri_stats said: ...we don't know the long-term effects of cardiovascular risk...
anna.melb_AU said:
...we're creating a generation dependent on cardiovascular risk...

I understand the concern, but consider this analogy: are we "creating a generation dependent on" blood pressure medication? Cholesterol medication? Thyroid medication?

Obesity is a chronic disease with biological drivers. Treating it with medication is no different from treating any other chronic condition. The "dependency" framing implies weakness or moral failure — neither of which is accurate.

If ongoing medication is what keeps someone healthy, that's successful treatment, not dependency.

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Apr 19, 2024 at 9:13 AM#25
anna.melb_AU said:
bri_stats said: ...we don't know the long-term effects of cardiovascular risk...
anna.melb_AU said:
...cardiovascular risk is just another fad...

I understand the skepticism — we've all seen "miracle" weight loss solutions come and go. But consider what makes GLP-1 agonists different:

  • Phase 3 RCTs with thousands of participants (not 20-person pilot studies)
  • Published in NEJM, JAMA, Lancet (not press releases)
  • Replicated across multiple independent research groups
  • Proven cardiovascular and renal benefits beyond weight loss
  • Biological mechanism fully characterized at the receptor level

This isn't a fad — it's a new drug class supported by the highest level of clinical evidence. The comparison to past fads is understandable but inappropriate.

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