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Energy expenditure increase from GCG component — my results so far

BethLabQueen Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 1:31 PM 58 replies 2,678 viewsPage 1 of 12
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BethLabQueen
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Jul 22, 2024 at 1:31 PM#1

Sceptical rather than excited about the triple agonist, and I would like somebody to talk me out of the scepticism with data rather than enthusiasm.

What would genuinely help is knowing why adding glucagon agonism to an anti-obesity drug is not self-defeating, given that glucagon raises blood glucose.

Tell me what I have not thought of.

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NurseKim_ATL
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Jul 22, 2024 at 3:08 PM#2

Taking the question as asked, rather than the general version of it. There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.

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Jul 22, 2024 at 4:45 PM#3
NurseKim_ATL said:
There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.

NurseKim_ATL has the substance of this right. The condition it depends on is worth stating. The glucagon component looks paradoxical and is not. Glucagon receptor agonism raises energy expenditure and drives hepatic fatty-acid oxidation, and its hyperglycaemic tendency is offset by the GLP-1 arm's insulin secretagogue effect. Net result: intake down from GLP-1/GIP, expenditure up from glucagon, glycaemia neutral or improved. It is a balancing act, and it is why the liver-fat results are the most interesting part of the dataset.

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Jul 22, 2024 at 6:22 PM#4
BethLabQueen said:
Sceptical rather than excited about the triple agonist, and I would like somebody to talk me out of the scepticism with data rather than enthusiasm.

This is my experience too, for whatever a second data point is worth. The detail I would add is minor and it is already implied above.

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Jul 23, 2024 at 3:48 AM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice. If two explanations both fit, the useful question is which one predicts something the other does not. That is answerable; arguing about which sounds more plausible is not.

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