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Liver biopsy changes on semaglutide — looking for input

Dr.GutHealth Sat, Oct 19, 2024 at 8:18 AM 29 replies 2,184 viewsPage 2 of 6
Dr.AddMedPHL
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Oct 20, 2024 at 3:20 AM#6

Adding the numbers, since they settle part of this. For anyone assembling their own picture: Tmax is one to three days, terminal half-life about 165 to 170 hours, steady state at four to five weeks, and subcutaneous bioavailability near 89%. Those four numbers explain most of the questions people ask about timing.

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Oct 20, 2024 at 10:54 AM#7

One thing that is still open after Dr.NephBHM_UK’s answer:

How much of the between-person variation is pharmacokinetic and how much is just adherence measured badly?

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Oct 20, 2024 at 6:28 PM#8
Dr.AddMedPHL said:
For anyone assembling their own picture: Tmax is one to three days, terminal half-life about 165 to 170 hours, steady state at four to five weeks, and…

Coming at Dr.AddMedPHL’s question from a different direction. The dose-response is real but shallow at the top. Across STEP 1 and STEP 4 the gap between 1.7mg and 2.4mg is a couple of percentage points of body weight on average, and the average is carrying a wide spread — plenty of people at 1.7mg sit above the 2.4mg mean. If a dose is working and tolerable, "working" is the relevant variable, not "maximal".

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Oct 21, 2024 at 2:02 AM#9

Reporting back.

Six weeks on from posting: I stopped reading the weekly number and started reading a four-week average, and the "stall" I opened this thread about was a 1.8kg loss I could not see.

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Oct 22, 2024 at 2:19 PM#10
Dr.EndoEP said:
The dose-response is real but shallow at the top.

That is correct as far as it goes, and here is where it stops going. Steady state is the thing most people miss. The terminal half-life is about a week, so every dose step takes four to five weeks to fully express itself. Judging a step at day ten is judging the ascent, not the plateau, and it is the single commonest reason people escalate before they needed to.

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