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NNT for MACE prevention — what worked for you?

Dr.LipidDallas Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 1:42 AM 16 replies 2,206 viewsPage 3 of 4
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Jan 24, 2024 at 7:34 PM#11
LindaRN_retired said:
I'm 55 years old and want to share my perspective on cardiovascular risk as an older member of this community.

Cardiac biomarkers and cardiovascular risk: my cardiologist ordered advanced cardiac labs given my family history. Results were encouraging:

  • NT-proBNP: 65 pg/mL (normal, cardiac function preserved)
  • Lp(a): 55 nmol/L (genetic, unchanged — expected)
  • ApoB: dropped from 150 to 90 mg/dL (excellent response)
  • Coronary calcium score: 0 (unchanged from baseline — reassuring)

The ApoB reduction is particularly meaningful — it's considered the best single predictor of cardiovascular risk. GLP-1 therapy seems to improve this consistently.

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Jan 25, 2024 at 5:32 AM#12
NurseLeah_Nash said:
SUSTAIN-6 was the first CVOT to show cardiovascular benefit with semaglutide, relevant to cardiovascular risk.

Bookmarking. The distinction being drawn above is the one nobody else makes.

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Jan 25, 2024 at 3:30 PM#13
LindaRN_retired said:
I'm 55 years old and want to share my perspective on cardiovascular risk as an older member of this community.

Lp(a) and cardiovascular risk: a nuance that matters. Unlike most lipid markers, Lp(a) is 90%+ genetically determined and doesn't really change with weight loss or GLP-1 therapy.

My Lp(a) has remained at 57 nmol/L across all time points. If yours is elevated (>50 nmol/L), you need additional risk mitigation strategies regardless of your GLP-1 response. Don't assume your medication is covering all cardiovascular risk factors.

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Jan 26, 2024 at 1:28 AM#14
Dr.LipidDallas said:
Prescribed on cardiovascular grounds rather than for weight, and almost everything written for patients assumes the opposite.

Mendelian randomization evidence supporting GLP-1 pathway modulation for cardiovascular risk: genetic variants in the GLP1R gene region associated with lower BMI also show associations with reduced cardiovascular risk, confirming a causal pathway[1].

This "natural experiment" (people born with genetically higher GLP-1 signaling being leaner and healthier) provides orthogonal evidence supporting the pharmacological approach. When genetic epidemiology, clinical trials, and mechanistic studies all converge, confidence in the therapeutic approach is high.

References:
[1] Zheng SL, et al. Lancet Diabetes Endocrinol. 2023;11(12):869-879.
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Jan 26, 2024 at 11:26 AM#15

Moderator note: leaving this open. It is being argued well and the disagreement is the useful part. Report rather than reply if it drifts again.

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