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NNT for MACE prevention — what worked for you?

Dr.LipidDallas Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 1:42 AM 16 replies 2,206 viewsPage 4 of 4
paige_pharma
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Jan 26, 2024 at 9:24 PM#16

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

CRP reduction on cardiovascular risk — this is the lab result that excites me most:

Baseline hsCRP: 11.0 mg/L (high cardiovascular risk)
Month 6 hsCRP: 3.5 mg/L (moderate risk)
Month 12 hsCRP: 0.4 mg/L (low risk)

This level of inflammatory marker reduction is comparable to what you'd see with statin therapy. Combined with the weight loss, my 10-year ASCVD risk score dropped from 18% to 6%. My cardiologist is genuinely impressed.

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Jan 27, 2024 at 7:23 AM#17
LabKate said:
Mendelian randomization evidence supporting GLP-1 pathway modulation for cardiovascular risk: genetic variants in the GLP1R gene region associated…
LabKate said:
...we don't know the long-term effects of cardiovascular risk...

This is a fair point, and I think intellectual honesty requires acknowledging it. GLP-1 agonists in their current form have ~8-10 years of human exposure data. That's not nothing, but it's not 30+ years either.

However: the risk-benefit calculation should also consider the KNOWN long-term effects of untreated obesity — diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, joint destruction, reduced lifespan by 5-10 years.

Uncertainty about GLP-1 long-term safety vs certainty about obesity consequences. The calculus seems clear to me, but reasonable people can disagree.

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Jan 27, 2024 at 5:22 PM#18

One thing that is still open after LabKate’s answer:

What did you change at the same time, and can you separate the two now?

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Jan 28, 2024 at 3:21 AM#19
lisa_labSD said:
LabKate said: ...we don't know the long-term effects of cardiovascular risk...

Metabolic syndrome resolution on cardiovascular risk: I went from meeting 5 of 5 diagnostic criteria to meeting ZERO after 10 months of treatment.

The 5 criteria (and my journey):

  1. Waist circumference: 49" → 37" ✅ Resolved
  2. Triglycerides: 251 → 106 ✅ Resolved
  3. HDL: 33 → 53 ✅ Resolved
  4. Blood pressure: 141/97 → 119/73 ✅ Resolved
  5. Fasting glucose: 116 → 85 ✅ Resolved

Metabolic syndrome reversal is, in my view, the most medically significant outcome of GLP-1 therapy.

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Moderator note: the sourcing question belongs in the vendor section and has been split out. Carry on.

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